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- Date: Sat, 30 May 92 21:23:27 -0400
- From: dmilne@KEAN.UCS.MUN.CA
- Subject: ELEM-IG Dictionaries
- Sender: GAELIC Language Bulletin Board <GAELIC-L@irlearn.ucd.ie>
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- Dear Tom:
-
- Which dictionaries are the best? In my opinion, the two most
- useful to learners are:
-
- (1) "Foclóir Póca English-Irish/ Irish-English Dictionary"
- Published by An Gúm (the Irish gov't dept. of education).
- This is a paperback, pocket-sized dictionary, 535 pages,
- and it includes an appendix on grammar. It is the only dictionary
- which provides pronunciations -- this feature alone makes it
- invaluable for the beginner. The last time I checked, it cost
- about $10.
-
- (2) "Foclóir Gaeilge-Béarla" by Niall ó Dónaill. This is also
- published by the Irish government - 1977. This is Irish to
- English only, but is a massive 1310 pages. It is now fairly
- expensive ($ 40?), but is worth every penny once you get past
- the text book stage and want to begin to read. Two really
- important features of this dictionary are: (1) it contains
- numerous cross-references from alternative forms of verbs, from
- dialect variant spellings, and from earlier spellings of words
- and (2) it contains huge numbers of idioms, proverbs,
- grammatical forms.
-
- - (1) is a god-send because Irish spelling is not as standardized
- as English spelling, and the dialect variants can completely stump you
- unless you have these cross-references.
-
- - (2) is also a god-send because Irish is a very idiomatic
- language, and like English, a single verb can have many
- different meanings depending on which particles or prepositions are
- being used with it. This dictionary helps you sort this out.
-
- The Foclóir Póca is too small to offer cross-references, and
- gives only the most bare-bones treatment of idioms.
-
-
- If the big "Foclóir Gaeilge-Béarla" is more than you want to
- invest in right now, there is an abridged version of it on the market
- called something like the "Gearr-fhoclóir". It is the same dictionary,
- only with smaller print, and with many of the cross-references dropped.
- I have one of each -- the complete one for reading at home, and the
- abridged one to carry to class.
-
- If you can spare the cash, however, get the complete dictionary -- it's
- only $10 or $15 more, and the extra entries are worth it.
-
- If you're a beginner and are not sure how much you want to spend,
- my advice would be to just get the Foclóir Póca for now.
-
- Most major stores which serve students of Irish have these
- dictionaries in stock. I haven't bought state-side for many years,
- but in the past I always got good service through the mails from "Irish
- Books and Graphics" , 580 Broadway, Room 1103, New York, New York, 10012.
- Their phone number is (212) 274-1923, if you want to call to find out if
- they have these dictionaries in stock.
-
- Others may know of other stores where these are readily available
- -- suggestions anyone?
-
- I'm sorry, I have no idea about stores in England or Scotland. I
- normally buy straight from Ireland by mail these days, but the last I
- heard the postal service is still on strike.
-
- Dorothy
-